November 12, 2008, 8:47 am

Is now the time to buy a business?

A downturn can be a great time to become an entrepreneur – but only if you're prepared, financially and emotionally, to wait out the economic turmoil.

Charlene, Fort Myers, Fla.
I'm interested in buying a small pack-and-ship company. It's for sale for $70,000 with a gross profit of $245,000 a year. As an owner, after making all my bills and deductions, I would make about $60,000. My husband and I want to run it ourselves, with no employees, but we are worried: Is buying a business in the current economy a smart idea?

By Kathleen Ryan O'Connor, Fortune Small Business contributor
When Ken Proskie started his occupational health and safety consulting business in 2004, the economy was emerging from its post-Sept. 11 downturn, but downsizing and offshoring were still pummeling Main Street.

Proskie knew the problem too well: The impetus to strike out on his own came from being laid off after a 30-year corporate career in the field.

The economy seems even worse off now. What's his advice for someone pondering the same plunge today?

"It may sound philosophical, but sometimes a crisis is the biggest chance to find out who you really are," says Proskie, who lives in Evanston, Ill.

Convinced that his advance research was sound and that a clear need for his services existed, Proskie went in prepared to wait out the economy. He planned for a stretch of red ink before he'd see profits.

That approach was smart, experts say. Anyone thinking of starting a new business or taking over an existing one in late 2008 should keep that in mind and be prepared for a potential sales decline.

But above all, finding financing is going to be the top challenge. As banks pull away from lending to large, established companies, you can only imagine what they're telling unproven business owners just starting out.

That's not to say the dollar spigot is closed off completely, but the days of easy money are long gone. A strong personal credit rating is mandatory, but it won't be enough. Be prepared to front plenty of cash and collateral. Many entrepreneurs report that business loans are impossible to get unless they back them with their house.

"A few businesses that I've talked to over the last couple of weeks have had lines of credit canceled, even though they've been up to date on them," says Larry Bennett, a professor of entrepreneurial practice at Syracuse University's Whitman School of Management in New York. “That’s a little bit concerning to me, when even those with high creditworthiness are having problems.”

Still, there are opportunities. For those who come prepared, now can be a good time to launch – your rivals will be facing their own challenges and sales struggles.

"If you've done your homework and you see there is still an opportunity or a window of need, and your competition is not terribly with it, it can be a better-than-ever time," Bennett says. "But take the old saying: Take whatever you are forecasting for money [needed to get started] and double it. I'll say, take what you are forecasting for money and quadruple it."

Small business coach Jeff Williams of BizStarters, which specializes in the over-50 entrepreneur, warns potential entrepreneurs to be prepared, financially and emotionally, for a long stretch of economic turmoil.

"It takes footwork now and that eliminates a certain subcategory of buyers right there. This is not for the faint of heart," he says. "You are really going to have to look three years into the future. That's what smart buyers have always done."

One bright spot to consider: The economic crisis has some older entrepreneurs with solid businesses thinking it's a fine time for a graceful exit. And with the credit crunch, sellers might be willing to offer private financing.

Above all, Williams says, you need to take a long, hard look at the value of the business you're considering starting or buying. Does it fill a fundamental need?

Take industrial supplies. "Even if the factory goes from three shifts to two, they still have to buy these things," he says. "They still have to keep the plant running."

And don't be afraid to think outside the box. Even lawn care, a seeming luxury, can be a prosperous business in a downturn, Williams says. Downsizing means everyone is left working longer hours. Envision the suburban dad working from 7 am to 7 pm six days a week – he isn't going to be spending hours tooling around on the Cub Cadet anymore.

Sticking to the fundamentals was the key to Proskie's eventual success with his firm, Compass Health and Safety.

"The first year wasn't great," he says. "I had to have the resources behind me to survive [that initial loss] in income. I tried to position myself smartly. Why would you want to use me – a small fish in a big pond? I marketed myself as a seasoned professional and, probably more important, was the value proposition. I can do it for less, with better quality and better service than you've gotten in the past."

Eventually, that approach built up his client base. After all, even in a recession, work still has to be done.

One key thing to keep in mind: In any business climate, boom or bust, you can't let your emotions get the best of you.

As Bennett puts it: "I tell my students, fall in love with business, just don't fall in love with the business."

QUIZ: Are you ready to start your own business?

Your Answers
AFrom jonathan chicago ,il

i jonathan believe that the crisies would be harder for small business to get off the grown especialy when the banks are not giving loans to anyone even if u have a perfect credit score and a business plan so there for we still have to get other things resolve before we can go forward. im a victim of idenity theft and its much much harder for me to get a loan

Posted By jonathan chicago ,il : February 18, 2009 7:29 pm
AFrom Don Bishop, S.P., NJ

Hi Charlene, I would also be a little concerned! With todays economy, I don't if it a good time to buy a business, but it is a perfect time to start a business! I invite you to take a look at this website – http://www.mypowermall.com/Biz/Home/158240 and if you have any, I would be more happy to answer them. Have a good day!

Posted By Don Bishop, S.P., NJ : December 7, 2008 10:34 am
AFrom Clarence, Nashville, TN

I find it difficult to believe that so many Americans will spend this kind of money up front for a business that may or may not work for them, and not even consider the network marketing industry! This industry cost me only a small fraction of this rediculous $70,000 price tag (1.4%). Many people are able to earn significant income from this industry without risking so much money! America, wake up!

Posted By Clarence, Nashville, TN : December 5, 2008 11:22 am
AFrom C from Denver

David, you sir are an idiot. Go back to Russia or whatever rock you crawled out from.

Posted By C from Denver : November 19, 2008 1:41 pm
AFrom david frantz

C from Denver:

On the 401'Ks ….. The Socialist in DC already have their 'eye's' on YOUR'S and others 401K money!

Posted By david frantz : November 18, 2008 10:20 pm
AFrom david frantz

Greetings C Denver:

The IRS loves 'Shelters' EASY pickings!!!!

They just let the interest & Penalties add up until they STRIKE…… just like a COBRA!

The Guy that sold you the 'shelter' watch him RUN for the hills! as YOU get MAULED by the IRS!…

Go hire a TAX attorney and watch a GRAND per hour go up in SMOKE! You will be out 30 grand in Legal fee's in NO TIME!

Just PRAY the IRS does not come after you for EVASION!

If that happens, Now you are talking BIG BIG BIG bucks…

It's WAY CHEAPER to pay the TAX just ask any sports figure about TAX SHELTERS!

In AmeriKA your nothing more than MEAT on the Table!

In AmeriKA you a SCREWED for PRODUCING!

Cheers COMRADES!

Posted By david frantz : November 18, 2008 6:54 pm
AFrom C, Denver

David:

You are assuming that I would pay all the taxes on this. For example, you are not accounting for half of the FICA number being deductible. Also, this number is reduced drastically by a maxed out 401K and match. That puts $30 K in my pocket right there. If you have a business and blindly pay all the taxes without deductions, pre-tax contributions, and tax shelters, you sir are a chump. High income earners will always find a way to reduce their taxable income.

Posted By C, Denver : November 18, 2008 10:29 am
AFrom David Smith

What kind of business do you own? Cause I have been in Business now more than 7 years; first of all I have never made as much as you have in a year, and I work more than 60-70 hours + massive stress of employees and constant change in the market. I own a retail buss with 6 locations. I sure would like to know what you do? I am in the wrong Buss then!

Posted By David Smith : November 17, 2008 1:52 am
AFrom Pete Glennon, Greenville SC

With $245K in gross margin and a need to take only $60K out, sounds very interesting. Evaluating all the expenses and the viability of the accounts remaining are key. Be sure you only buy the assets and do not assume any liabilities. Get an accountant's advice before signing.

Posted By Pete Glennon, Greenville SC : November 16, 2008 5:38 pm
AFrom david frantz

They Royal screw job in AmeriKA:

Your dentist tells you need a Crown for your tooth. He quotes you a $ 1000 dollars for the Crown:

Out of the 1000 dollars for your Crown, the Dentist has to PAY about $ 500 dollars of it in Various TAXES (Federal tax, FICA, State income tax, business taxes, Etc)

Out of the remaining 500 dollars he/she gets AFTER taxes, he pays the cost of doing business…. after that….. he /she might get to keep $ 200 dollars or LESS!

By the way, He /She's the one doing ALL of the work and taking ALL of the RISK

You on the other hand must Generate about $ 1600 dollars in Income
(YOUR : Federal tax, FICA, and State income tax) to Clear the $ 1,000 dollars to pay for the Crown!

The Govt made a about a GRAND in TAXES on YOUR CROWN….

SWEEEEEET!

This apply's to almost EVERYTHING you do in AmeriKA now….From your food to auto repairs….. you name it the Tax GRAB is in there!

It's no wonder we're sinking!

Posted By david frantz : November 15, 2008 7:15 pm
AFrom Wayne Ft Myers, Florida

I have been a small business owner since 03. My gross sales have ranged from 1.5 mil to 3.5 mil. I have never taken in less than 400k before taxes and have made over 1 mil one year. I never paid in taxes more than 30%. I have few tax shelters and a conservative accountant. David Frantz I suspect, is padding his numbers to make a point. I work less than 40 hours a week and have plenty of free time. Find good employees that will run the business like there own. Not hard to do in this job market. Owning a business has been the best thing that has ever happened to me.

Posted By Wayne Ft Myers, Florida : November 14, 2008 7:05 pm
AFrom David Frantz

Dear Patriot:

There are only TWO types of people …only TWO : The GIVERS and the TAKERS!

At one time in AMERICA our nation was LOADED,with GIVERS and our nation prospered and booomed!

Now, America has been overrun by TAKERS! wanting everything you have for themselves and they give NOTHING in return……except wanting even MORE!

They Take and take and take till nothings left!

And GOD help a GIVER that gets involved with a TAKER!!!!!! Like a SPIDER, the TAKER will suck the GIVER dry

America has been in a DEATH SPIRAL for YEARS… We are now AMERIKA!

The USSA = United Socialist States of AmeriKA

Posted By David Frantz : November 14, 2008 2:21 pm
AFrom Anonymous Patriot, Dallas TX

David, thanks for the response. I'll reiterate: you are 52 years old and work 2 days a week to make a decent enough living that you can spend your other 5 days doing what you want. And yet you keep complaining and name-calling the country that provides you that lifestyle and opportunity. Your disergard and disrespect for your own good fortune, although I'm sure it was earned in large part by your previous hard work, seems shortsighted.

If it's so bad, then why stay here? And if it's good enough to stay here, then why not spend one of your deer-hunting days working for a third party and trying to change the two-party system that you feel is so fundamentally broken (which it very well may be). Again, constant whining combined with inaction does no one any good; in fact, it perpetuates the status quo you are taking issue with.

Finally, if you believe what you write, why work those two days at all? Take action on your idea, move out to the wilderness and stop producing altogether. At least then you'd be acting rather that complaining. If you're worried about authorities, there are plenty of places in the world (some in America) where you could go completely off the grid with no problem. At least then you'd be putting your principles to work. If you believe it, act on it; if not, please stop espousing something you don't really believe because you enjoy complaining.

Posted By Anonymous Patriot, Dallas TX : November 14, 2008 8:29 am
AFrom Conan Bridgeport,ILLinois

Heres my thoughts on Starting a Business if you have the backing and the right product or service for the industry I believe you will be ok and you will make it but it will be tough

Now When the economy is in the state that it is right now Home business booms and thats what I think if anybody is going to get into business for them selves get with a good solid home biz the one im in you can join our team for free and we teach you everything you need to know to succeed.

Posted By Conan Bridgeport,ILLinois : November 13, 2008 10:44 pm
AFrom david frantz

Dear Patriot et.el

I have taken action: Voting is a waste of time, We just saw our 'leaders' screw us over on the BAIL OUT bill.

The SERF'S of ameriKA said NO NO NO and they did it ANYWAY…. and guess what the SERF'S Re-elected 99 % of 'their' leaders that voted for the BAIL OUT………SWEEET!

Has the big light gone on YET?

This is proof positive we have NO SAY anymore….. we NEVER DID! now you know FOR SURE!

For years I have paid well over 100 grand just in federal tax alone! But no more!! I have had enough of being made a fool of so I have cut way back to no less than 80 % I am 52 years old and semi RETIRED! I work one or two days a week….. if even that! WHY SHOULD I!

So now I spend my time ENJOYING my life instead of PRODUCING!….. Enjoyed deer hunting today…AND tomorrow! and the NEXT day after that!

I have MORE than enough work to provide 10 to 15 JOBS but NO WAY….it's not worth it anymore in AMERIKA!

Way to much RISK for VERY VERY little RETURN!

The ONLY way to take action in AmeriKA is STOP PRODUCING! & cut off the money right at the source: OUR LABORS!

Watch how fast things 'CHANGE' with no money coming in to the Gov't coffers!

In closing:

Vote change???….. MY ASS watch how nothing CHANGES except even MORE taxes, more on the DOLE! & MORE WAR for other nations…mark my words…it's GOING to happen!

….SWEEEEET!

Sorry for the RANT but it is related to the topic at hand…

P.S. On the 'FICA'…. if you are SELF- employed you have to pay BOTH sides of the 'social security /medi-care' tax so it's 15 %……. on 60 grand that's 9 grand STOLEN from you..right off the top:

Our 'leaders' are talking 'means testing' or raising the age of retirement so the 15 % TAX is more or less GONE! just ANOTHER tax you PAY!

SWEEEET!

Posted By david frantz : November 13, 2008 7:02 pm
AFrom Anonymous Patriot, Dallas TX

To David Frantz,

If the U.S. and its system of taxation are so bad, then please go somewhere else and stop complaining so much. We all pay taxes. It stinks to not see those dollars and there are those that take advantage of social programs paid for by those tax dollars.

But your bellyaching about taxation and socialism is embarassing; because if you had a better alternative and any sense, you'd leave. Yes, it is seriously flawed in some ways, but the fact that you are here proves America is the best option you've got (assuming you are a rational actor). Given that (1) it's your best option and (2) you're not being singled out for taxes any more than anyone in a comparable position, your over-the-top rhetoric comes off as annoying whining. Suck it up or do something to change the system through the mechanisms for change like supporting a campaign or running yourself, but please stop whining.

You're not special. We all have problems and America with a "C" is still clearly the best option you have, so stop complaining and do something to help the rest of us make it better. Constant whining, namecalling, and inaction is the definition of counterproductive. Also, if you are paying 64K in taxes on 130K in income, please pay a tax accountant to do your returns, because you're overpaying (for instance, the maximum FICA contribution in 2008 is $6,324, so you're paying like 10K more than the system allows in your very realistic, informed estimation). Thanks.

Posted By Anonymous Patriot, Dallas TX : November 13, 2008 1:23 pm
AFrom David Frantz

Basic tax return on 130 grand income in ameriKA:

130 grand gross:

15 grand FICA tax
1 grand on Medecare tax
40 grand Fed income tax
8 grand State income tax

That's 64 grand snatched from YOUR labors! Enough money taken to send your child to HARVARD!… EACH YEAR!

This is a basic tax return but it will not differ to much from the actual!

Just think every year a HARVARD education is taken (STOLEN) from YOUR children! and GIVEN to someone else living on the DOLE… having multiple children by multiple fathers, but can't tell you how the names of the daddy's! how sweeeeeet it is to live in AMERIKA!

We are doooomed: deal with it america has passed the point of NO RETURN! we are now AMERIKA with a 'K'

USSA = United socialist states of ameriKA

Posted By David Frantz : November 13, 2008 12:02 pm
AFrom Eric, Coral Springs Florida

This is just flat out wrong, and the author should go back to serving burgers.

Tax due on $60k when married filing jointly would less than $8k. Worst case scenario would be less than $15k with FICA and FUTA.

Don't let the disgruntled stop you from pursuing the American dream.

Posted By Eric, Coral Springs Florida : November 13, 2008 11:56 am
AFrom Chris

David

I agree with your assessment on this. The potential earnings are not worth the risk. I disagree with the USSA comment. This country is not socialist. Actually, the Government is becoming more privatized. The Federal Government has privatized itself at the request of Banks and Wall Street. They want you to think it is socialization, but the largest companies continue to control the Government.

Posted By Chris : November 13, 2008 10:16 am
AFrom David Frantz

Based on your numbers: If you net 60 grand via your Sub chapter – S K-1 return: watch how fast you get screwed:

Fed tax: 18,000 dollars (30%)
FICA Tax: 9,000 dollars (15%)

You pay 45 % right there! not to mention all of the other 'hidden' and not so hidden taxes you pay before the K-1 Return is even generated.

Now that you are self employed you get to PAY the other half of the medicare & Social security tax…how sweeeet!
thats 15 %

So for all of the hard work you WILL DO, and for all of the CRAP you WILL put up with and NO BAIL OUT cash for your Mistakes, :

You keep 33 grand WOW!!!! how nice!!! 16 grand for your husband and 16 for you!!!! WOW your rolling in Bucks!!!!
the good life!!!! moving on up!!!

It's no WONDER the owner wants to sell!!!!

Advise: RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN…save yourself!

Welcome to AmeriKA with a 'K'

It's not worth it anymore in the USSA = United Socialist States of AmeirKA

see my other post below

Posted By David Frantz : November 12, 2008 11:13 pm
AFrom Chris, Denver, CO

I become a partner in a Consulting business in January. I quit my full time job in June. There are 3 partners are and we are approaching $600,000 in sales for this year. That includes $197,000 in sales for October alone. Each partner will earn $130,000 this year and the company has no debt. Consulting is a great business right now. There is little to no overhead, and organizations have less money to hir full-time resources.

Posted By Chris, Denver, CO : November 12, 2008 9:22 pm
AFrom Ger, Teg, HON

Seems like too good a deal, but anything is possible, even more in this time of speculation and fear, it could be a smart idea if you know the business, a foolish one if you don´t and are also planning on going solo, many businesses can progress in hard times, "the best time to make money is when blood is in the streets" a.k.a. "the best time to make money is when everybody is running scared and confused… and you are not"

Posted By Ger, Teg, HON : November 12, 2008 4:38 pm
AFrom Been there, Done that, Didn't work out

Don't trust your numbers! There is no real way to find out whether or not you will make money until you actually own and are running the business. ESPECIALLY when the economy is in such bad shape. If you are taking over a business, DO NOT PREDICT GAINS- expect and anticipate potential losses. Make sure you have a nest egg to rely on if the business doesn't work out. Also, get a good lawyer to check the contract to be sure all your ducks are in a row and make sure the former owner has made you fully aware of all debts.

Posted By Been there, Done that, Didn't work out : November 12, 2008 4:19 pm
AFrom David Frantz

You want your own business? Well I own one a couple So pull up a chair and I will tell you about ownership!

First off your a total SLAVE to it! you will NEVER be at any real peace because your whole life is intertwined in it.

Family time is almost non existant and real vacations are out…gone…. nothing but in the back of your mind worry: Frantic telephone calls from you employees or clients…non stop problems…no rest!

You will find out real quick about: lawyers & lawsuits and your loyal 'employees'

You will learn the meaning of: 'legal extortion'

To add insult to injury your 'reward' for having your own business working your REAR off in ameriKA is : 30 PLUS % in federal income tax, you get to pay the Alt min tax, 15 % in FICA tax, then 6 % PLUS in state income taxes then another 8 % in other TAX money grabs such as FUTA,SUTA, sales taxes on asset purchase, sales taxes on asset repairs and upkeep, use taxes, fuel taxes, business property taxes, regulatory fees, permit fees, All kinds of direct and 'hidden' TAXES it will boggel your mind! how 'clever' the Gov't is skimming right off the top off YOUR labors! that's 60 % PLUS ….. Do the math!

After you pay the other expenses of having a business….. you get YOUR share of your labors… and just think, your the one taking ALL of the risk and doing ALL of the work…….
can you say …sucker?

You become a TAX collector too: you collect State sales taxes for the state!

You make ANY mistakes in the collection of sales taxes and the state will turn it into 30 grand FAST!!! penalty's and intrest… add up fast!

Go hire a TAX attorney to help and watch how fast he/she charges MORE than the state wanted to EXTORT from you! and you STILL will have to PAY the 30 grand to the state!…. sweeeet!

Still want to own your own business and be made a foooool of?

You we're warned!

In closing in AMERICA in the 1950's, 1960's 70' & 80's it's WAS worth it to have your own business but TODAY in AMERIKA it's NOT!!!!

Posted By David Frantz : November 12, 2008 3:56 pm
AFrom Roland Saczek Rockwall Tx

Somebody is dreaming here.$245,000 profit or did you mean sales,better check the books a little closer,unless the owner is ill or dying.

Posted By Roland Saczek Rockwall Tx : November 12, 2008 3:48 pm
AFrom vinay

I agree with Nick there is No way you can buy a business for 70 K which can let you take home 60 K.

PS: I own 2 pack-and ship Franchise

Posted By vinay : November 12, 2008 3:02 pm
AFrom bru

Who would by a 30K (60K/2) a year JOB with no benefits even if it were for sale at that price?

Posted By bru : November 12, 2008 3:02 pm
AFrom Anonymous

How sad

Posted By Anonymous : November 12, 2008 2:34 pm
AFrom NICK OLIVER

THERE IS NO WAY THAT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO BUY A BUSINESS FOR 70k AND BE ABLE TO TAKE HOME 60k NO WAY THATS WAY TO CHEAP ITS FISHY pLUS WITH THE GROSS MENTIONED IN THE ARTICLE THAT WOULD NEVER TRANSLATE TO A 60K PROFIT EVEN WITH NO EMPLOYEES

Posted By NICK OLIVER : November 12, 2008 12:00 pm
AFrom BizAg.com

Charlene,

To ease some of your worries, try our Business Value Calculator and see if you are getting a good deal.

If you are looking to buy a business, start your search at BizAg.com. We list over 100,000 businesses for sale.

Good Luck! There are plenty of opportunities out there.

Posted By BizAg.com : November 12, 2008 10:33 am
AFrom Roy Adams

One thing that was left out of this article was structuring the business sale. After seller financing, structuring the sale for a smooth and complete transition is most important. I've seen more problems with success come from bad transitions than from bad deals.

Posted By Roy Adams : November 12, 2008 10:21 am
AFrom I blame spell checker

"One key thing to keep in mine: In any business climate, boom or bust, you can’t let your emotions get the best of you."

FYI – You spelled "mind" wrong. I figured you'd want to know so you could look more professional.

Posted By I blame spell checker : November 12, 2008 9:57 am
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